Study Proves Fur is Not Green

A new study contradicts the Fur Council of Canada’s absurd “Fur Is Green” claims. Yesterday, the research and consultancy organization CE Delft published the study: Fur: harmful to the environment.

To produce 1 kg of fur requires more than 11 animals. In the course of its lifetime, mink eat about 50 kg of feed, resulting in 563 kg of feed required per kg of fur…. Compared with textiles, fur has a higher impact per kg in 17 of the 18 environmental categories, including climate change, eutrophication and toxic emissions. In many cases, fur has impacts that are a factor 2 to 28 higher than textiles, even when lower-bound values are taken for various links in the production chain.

Download the full study here: the environmental impact of mink fur production
This study was jointly commissioned by Bont voor Dieren, GAIA & LAVFur is Greed

In addition to the sustainability claims, the website uses other key terms like “fair trade” “humane” “renewable resource” without any valid, third-party certifications to back up these terms. The marketing strategy employed in the “Fur is Green” website and Facebook Group attempted to soften the harsh reality of fur production, claiming that because fur is a natural material, it is therefore sustainable. The description on their Facebook page says, “The fur trade is tired of the lies and insults spread by self-appointed “animal-rights” groups; we’ve had enough of propaganda that slanders honest, hard-working people and misleads the public about the true ecological sense of using fur.

Thankfully, the argument can be put to rest, officially. Fur is not green, and it’s still incredibly cruel and unnecessary.

  • Donnie Mac Leod

    The ability of the such cretins or maladjusted presenters to think they are above truthful & more realistic rebuttal is astounding. Figures may not lie but liars sure know how to figure out a format that suits their cause while ignoring all the other figures that crush their presentation. One of the worst textile industries in the world is cotton when it comes to proving my point. It strips the land of all nutrients and is subjectively sprayed with some of the worst sprays & pollutants known to man. The Pesticide type spray for plant & food/fibre programs alone pump more than 40 billion dollars of killing agents which kill many more billions of sentient beings than the fur industry could ever be involved in.

    All animal markets which feed & clothe humanity have agents monitoring the welfare of animals used for those industries. The plant fibre for food & clothing or the obvious pollution of the petroleum-based textile industries have no animal welfare laws . All thinking humans can observe billions of sentient beings will die from direct poisoning, pollution complications & from machinery related crippling or death in working the soil & protecting crops. The CE Delft study should be ashamed that they were so negligent in weighing the complete truth of why fur is Green in comparison to the plant fibre industries. Any honest comparative studies would factor in the complete truth against their lost data . The CE Default people dropped some glaring factors out of the mix. Also of note, pretending that the mink industry is any different from the dog & cat food industry in gleaning bi-products of our life supporting meat industry is self-serving to the CE Default papers but totally expected from folks on a mission who really don’t care about coming to a truthful summation. If it wasn’t their goal to pretend that fur isn’t Green in comparatives it than becomes evident that they are linear thinkers who can not factor in the complete set of tangents which make them look silly in their summation.

    • PINNACLE

      Actually, this comment only strengthens the argument against fur and other conventional textiles, and proves why there is a need for a revolution in textile manufacturing. Yes, conventional cotton is a big problem, but it does not justify causing such easily-preventable suffering to fur-bearing animals, as you suggest.

      In addition, you forget the growing market for truly sustainable textiles like organic cotton and linens, recycled and upcycled textiles like PET-ultrasuede, closed-loop eco-synthetics, cutting edge sustainable materials like cellulose leather, lenpur, hemp-blends, coconut-blends, banana-silks, soy-waste yarns, and ecocel, tencel, and countless other textiles. There is world of garment production outside of fur and conventional cotton, and the possibilities are endless if people are willing to develop cruelty-free, sustainable materials. So what’s your excuse?

      Don’t feign concern for animals while promoting fur. Fur is indefensible unless you are living off the grid in arctic climates.

    • Malvareztoye

      perhaps if you composed yourself a little, and made yourself a little more understandable-no one expects you to use words and phraseology beyond your means, so why do it?
      as for these so-called ‘agents’ of which you speak, most of these industries are now self-regulated, hardly a point in their favour…

      • Donnie Mac Leod

        You are quite confused. You accuse me of not having an organized rebuttal while insinuating I am using words beyond my scope of understanding even while you misrepresent the facts. The mink ranches & Green Labels can only come from government inspections. You really should attempt to get your facts corrected so that they will not be….. incorrect.

        Here are some facts about Fur Regulators & Animal Welfare Laws which you seem guilty of ignoring.

        http://www.furcommission.com/FAQ.htm#Anchor-44867

        A. Fur farming in the US “is regulated by local, State, national, and sometimes international humane regulations” (Industry & Trade Summary : Fur Skins, US International Trade Commission publication 3666, p17, January 2004), and by industry codes of practice. The production of wild furs is likewise regulated by state and federal government authorities.

        That is about as much candor that can be mustered in light of your falsehood about their industry being self Regulated,

        The status of farmed mink and fox as domesticated animals is recognized in US federal law (US Code Title 7, Chapter 7, § 433) and, in common with all livestock, domesticated furbearers such as mink and fox come under the jurisdiction of state departments of agriculture, not the federal government. Since there are human health concerns, the federal government does oversee in the regulation of the slaughter of food animals, e.g. the Animal Welfare Act.

        Statutes and codes are developed by legislators, veterinarians, farmers and concerned citizen groups, based on research and recommendations published by recognized scientific and veterinary bodies. While much of this work, particularly in the areas of disease control and nutrition, is carried out with industry funding, the fur industry also interprets and incorporates into its practices information from reports of independent experts in disease control, animal welfare and humane euthanasia, notably the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA). Meanwhile, any furbearing animals taken from the wild, for any reason, come under the jurisdiction of state departments of natural resources or state fish and wildlife agencies. In developing statutes and codes for the taking of wild animals, advice is also sought from wildlife managers, biologists, hunters and trappers.

        In the animal welfare department, state statutes cover everything from mistreatment and neglect, to intentional cruelty, and reports are investigated by the appropriate local and/or state agency, oftentimes both. Under current anti-cruelty statutes, anyone who mistreats an animal faces investigation, prosecution, fines, jail time and even the loss of his animal(s). (More information on state animal cruelty laws can be found at: the Humane Society of the United States, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, Michigan State University College of Law, and Pet-Abuse.com. Or visit the Library of Congress for general state government information.)

        State statutes also ensure the humane euthanasia of furbearers, since they are not food animals.

        The North American fur trade is a responsible industry based on the sustainable use of renewable resources. This is a principle that is promoted by conservation organizations around the world, including the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN), the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) and the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF).

        This means that the furs used come only from abundant species. And when you buy fur you are supporting people on the land, with a direct interest in protecting vital wildlife habitat.

        Recent agreements between the European Union and major fur-producing countries (the USA, Canada and Russia) ensure that wild furs are taken in accordance with scientifically verified and internationally accepted humane standards.

        The accurate identification of fur products for consumers is assured by the Fur Products Labeling Act (USA) and the Competition Act (Canada). (See FCUSA’s compilation of rules and regulations relating to labeling for more resources specific to fur, both in the US and internationally.)

        Taxes are collected at the local, state and federal levels on income earned at all stages of fur production, from farming to retail. This ensures that government agencies are able to properly oversee and regulate fur clothing production (just as is done with all natural fiber production) in accordance with local, state and federal laws, and with international treaties.

        Other relevant regulations include statutes that:

        * Protect the environment: Local and national governments enforce laws such as the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act. (Click here for resources relating to water use, and manure and nutrient management plans in the US.) Local county zoning ordinances determine where agricultural pursuits, including fur farms, may or may not be situated;
        * Protect the consumer: Textile Fiber Products Identification Act, the Wool Products Labeling Act and the Fur Products Labeling Act;
        * Ensure science-based sustainable wildlife management: the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and provisions of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (CITES).
        * Ensure humane farming practices: Recommendations in the 2007 report AVMA Guidelines on Euthanasia are incorporated into humane laws at the state and local level, and into industry codes of practice.

        For an overview of fur farming in the United States, click here. For information on fur farming regulations in Europe, visit Farming regulations at the International Fur Trade Federation (IFTF). For a global perspective on management programs for wild furbearers, visit the IFTF’s section on Wild fur.eyond

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          Donnie, you fail to recognize that the majority of fur comes from China where there are NO regulations for animal cruelty and documentation of fur farms has sent shockwaves. Dog and cat fur ends up in America because if China, and you ignore the increasing amount of documentation (that you can see on this site) showing incredible cruelty on these “regulated” farms throughout Europe. Caging a wild animal for it’s entire life is inherently cruel. They are prevented from doing anything they evolved to do, both physically and socially, and this is torture for any being with a brain and nervous system. This is just common sense, but villains try to rationalize it.

          This is why laws like the Through In Fur Labeling act have been necessary, and why so many fur farms get fined by the EPA because of how much pollution they cause.

          But let’s not forget that fur is a frivolous thing. There are many alternatives of clothes to wear that do not cause so much pain and pollution. So I must ask why do you defend it so fervently? You must work with fur – so aha, of course its about rationalizing horrible things to bring you money.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Could you supply some of those links to EPA proving your claims??? Hint::: I have searched and they do not exist other than from folks making claims that such charges exist. BTW ,links do exist pointing out thousands of real charges laid by EPA with regards to pollution caused by Pesticide type applications ..

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            I already did earlier to which you did not reply:
            United States. Environmental Protection Agency, Press Release, 8 October 1991, EPA Seeks $2.2 Million in Penalties from Six NJ Firms in the Fur Industry for Hazardous Waste Violations.

            http://tinyurl.com/4s5ue6t

        • Donnie Mac Leod

          Actually I am not delusional at all and Science proves that point over and over again.

          http://www.freedoniagroup.com/World-Pesticides.html

          World Pesticides to 2014 – Demand and Sales Forecasts, Market Share, Market Size, Market Leaders

          Study #: 2664

          Published: 08/2010

          Pages: 516

          Full Study Price: US$ 5,800

          Per Page Price: US$ 30.00

          World Pesticides to 2014 – Market Research, Market Share, Market Size, Sales, Demand Forecast, Market Leaders, Company Profiles, Industry Trends

          Global demand for pesticides will rise 2.9 percent annually to 2014. Gains will reflect a reversal of declines in 2009, caused in part by a price drop for the leading herbicide, glyphosate. Herbicides and insecticides will remain the largest types. Central and South America will offer the best growth opportunities.

          This study analyzes the $45 billion world pesticide industry. It presents historical demand data for the years 1999, 2004 and 2009, and forecasts for 2014 and 2019 by product (e.g., herbicides, insecticides, fungicides), market (e.g., wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, consumer, commercial), world region and for 39 major countries.

          The study also considers market environment factors, details industry structure, evaluates company market share and profiles 42 industry participants, including Bayer, Syngenta and BASF.

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          • Donnie Mac Leod

            http://chem-tox-ecotox.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/07-Pesticides-06_11_2010.pdf

            Department of Chemistry, University of Athens,
            University Campus Zografou, 15784 Athens, Greece
            E-mail: valavanidis@chem.uoa.gr, thvlach@chem.uoa.gr
            Abstract
            Pesticides are mostly synthetic chemicals that are used in agriculture to control pests.
            Pesticides include herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, nematocides and rodenticides.
            The dramatic increase of global use of pesticides in the 1960 and 1970s was the result of
            growing population and the need for increased food production. Worldwide sales of
            pesticides increased from $2.7 billion in 1970 to $32,5 billion in 2001. Insecticides
            account for 1/3 of the world agrochemical market. Mechanization, monoculture,
            excessive use of fertilizers and pesticides lead to environmental pollution. Soil
            desertification, wildlife deaths, reduced biodiversity and excessive use of freshwater
            resources were some of the results. A number of pesticides were highly poisonous and
            many farmers developed chronic diseases, 30% of intentional suicides in developing
            countries were caused by toxic pesticides. In recent decades many persistent pesticides
            were banned or restricted, especially organochlorinated and carbamates. Changes in
            fertilizer use and new less toxic pesticides in relation to integrated pesticide
            management reduced substantially the damage to environment. Organic agriculture
            tried to reverse this trend but its impact is very small (3.5% of food production) for the
            needs of global population. The environmental cost of pesticide use has been
            documented by numerous studies. Research for the ecotoxicological consequences of
            pesticides on ecosystems and especially to wildlife has been advanced in recent years.
            Ecological risk assessment of pesticide use and measures to reduce adverse effects
            indicated the need for more research to address this problem.

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            Who is disagreeing that pesticides are bad? We are not having the same conversation, apparently. You are busy attacking an imaginary character that is promoting pesticides. I am all for organic, recyclable, closed-loop, sustainable textiles – but let’s not pretend that fur is one of them. It is unnecessary, cruel, and requires dangerous, toxic chemicals.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Nice bit of duck & jive. The article made false claims about the textile industry being a greener label which is an untruth. But lets pretend otherwise because you are basing your claims on an archaic set of claims that no longer are a portion of the fur industry. Even your claim that the fur industry was self regulatory is false as proven by the fact that it is under covered by many government regulations including animal welfare laws and pollution laws.

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            China, which has ZERO animal welfare regulations, is where the majority of fur in the world is produced, and where the majority of fur is US is imported from. Good luck trying to regulate that.

  • Vegiedo

    Very good study!

    Whether it is fur farming or fur obtained by hunting or by trapping animals, it is a cruel industry. Production of fur not only pollutes our environment, it also tortures animals.

    Who needs to wear dead animal skins on their back today, especially in our modern worlds ?
    For very cold weather temperature, light, highly insulated, windproof and waterproof synthetic material is just as warm and it does not contribute to the suffering of animals.

    Imagine if skiers, were dressed in fur coats- How ridiculous would they look ! ;-)

  • Malvareztoye

    what needs to be done is to file a series of complaints to the governing body that regulates truth in advertising, against the fur council and all furriers that advertise furs as being ‘environmentally friendly. its time they were told to back off on such ludicrous claims, and be made to pay a penalty like all other industries that wilfully mislead the public, while using the media to attack those who oppose them on all levels.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=622022656 Kelly Merkel

    All mink on mink farms consume by-products that would otherwise go into landfill. That is why mink farming is green compared to cotton farming.
    Looks like the study funded by Animal Rights organisations conveniently ‘forgot’ to mention that. Ooops!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=622022656 Kelly Merkel

    All mink on mink farms consume by-products that would otherwise go into landfill. That is why mink farming is green compared to cotton farming and many other textiles.
    The feed consumed has a POSITIVE environmental outcome, not a negative one.
    Looks like the study by the three Animal Rights organisations conveniently ‘forgot’ to mention that. Ooops!

    • PINNACLE

      Fur farms produce much more dangerous waste than the they divert. The basic math of your logic does not work out. Nothing green about it, it’s incredibly resource intensive.

      If you can’t see why “Peace, love & light”, as your facebook profile says, is in direct contradiction to the horrors animals experience on fur farms, I can not even begin a conversation with you about fur unless you think animals have no brains or nervous systems.

    • Malvareztoye

      ah yes…cannibalism and anal electrocution or neck breaking….very green indeed…

      • Donnie Mac Leod

        Indeed all animal use as food & clothing is Green as it promotes the use of natural renewable resources without adding excess waste to the natural cycle . Id an animal is killed humanely and under existing welfare laws then the use as food & clothing is green & life supporting in natural cycles.

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          Donnie, your incredible lack of knowledge about the effects of animal agriculture on ecosystems is borderline delusional. All scientific and ecological studies on this contradict what you are claiming and common sense contradicts what you are saying. Livestock , including fur farms, have caused so much air and water pollution that many farms are fined for the incredible amount of waste. Breeding and raising animals that require resources and put out toxic pollution and greenhouse gases is not “green”. The definition of “green” you use has clearly been misunderstood.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Delusional??? Animal agriculture has been no where as invasive or polluting to our environment as Plant agriculture for example. Those ungulates contributed greatly to the 18 feet of soil base found in the American Bread basket before we started tearing up that soil for plant fibres. That aside however is nothing in comparison to the use of pesticide type sprays which have been scientifically proven to be harmful to soil, water and air. or the chemical breakdowns & heat required for development of petroleum-based polymers.

            http://www.fullgardens.com/pesticides.php

            Environmental effects
            Pesticide use raises a number of environmental concerns. Over 98% of sprayed insecticides and 95% of herbicides reach a destination other than their target species, including non-target species, air, water, bottom sediments, and food. Pesticide drift occurs when pesticides suspended in the air as particles are carried by wind to other areas, potentially contaminating them. Pesticides are one of the causes of water pollution, and some pesticides are persistent organic pollutants and contribute to soil contamination.[top]

            Health effects
            Pesticides can present danger to consumers, bystanders, or workers during manufacture, transport, or during and after use.

            The American Medical Association recommends limiting exposure to pesticides and using safer alternatives:

            Particular uncertainty exists regarding the long-term effects of low-dose pesticide exposures. Current surveillance systems are inadequate to characterize potential exposure problems related either to pesticide usage or pesticide-related illnesses. Considering these data gaps, it is prudent to limit pesticide exposures and to use the least toxic chemical pesticide or non-chemical alternative.[top]

            Farmers and workers
            There have been many studies of farmers with the goal of determining the health effects of pesticide exposure.

            The World Health Organisation and the UN Environment Programme estimate that each year, 3 million workers in agriculture in the developing world experience severe poisoning from pesticides, about 18,000 of whom die. According to one study, as many as 25 million workers in developing countries may suffer mild pesticide poisoning yearly.

            Organophosphate pesticides have increased in use, because they are less damaging to the environment and they are less persistent than organochlorine pesticides. These are associated with acute health problems for workers that handle the chemicals, such as abdominal pain, dizziness, headaches, nausea, vomiting, as well as skin and eye problems. Additionally, many studies have indicated that pesticide exposure is associated with long-term health problems such as respiratory problems, memory disorders, dermatologic conditions, cancer, depression, neurological deficits, miscarriages, and birth defects. Summaries of peer-reviewed research have examined the link between pesticide exposure and neurologic outcomes and cancer, perhaps the two most significant things resulting in organophosphate-exposed workers.[top]
            .

          • PINNACLE

            What do you think farmed animals are eating? Air? 80% of grains feed livestock, not people. So if you have a problem with plant agriculture, livestock is to blame as well.

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            I agree that pesticides are a problem, that’s why i promote recycling and using organic and sustainable textiles and foods – but the real question is, why do you defend fur instead of promoting organic textiles? You are constructing a straw man that is promoting pesticides and attacking it.

    • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

      Raising animals in large, resource intensive numbers that would never occur in nature, confining them to a small cage that goes against everything they would do in nature, and using toxic chemicals to prevent their pelts from decomposing is …. good for nature? This notion is completely backwards and goes against scientific fact about the amount of resources are consumed and the amount of pollution produced by fur farms. Any intensive animal agriculture, like fur farms, run on so much fossil fuels that we’d be better off with synthetics.

      The Industrial Pollution Projection System rates the fur dressing and dyeing industry one of the five worst industries for toxic metal pollution to the land.* Formaldehyde, chromium, naphthalene… not so green.

      In 1991, the U.S.Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) fined six fur processing plants $2.2 million for
      the pollution they caused, citing them for hazardous waste violations and stating that “the solvents used in these operations may cause respiratory problems, and are listed as possible carcinogens. Not green.

      Plus, the horrible cruelty that is totally unnecessary for something as frivolous as fashion. It seems people will say just about ANYTHING to try to rationalize their own selfishness.

      • Sonnie Mac Leod

        Maybe you could supply an article sourced from EPA that proves your claim along with fines administered. Hint::: I tried to find where EPA actually leveled such fines a few years ago and was unable to do so. However today’s furriers have nothing to do with past practices as proven by modern government inspectors not having problems with fur production industry today.

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          United States. Environmental Protection Agency, Press Release, 8 October 1991, EPA Seeks $2.2 Million in Penalties from Six NJ Firms in the Fur Industry for Hazardous Waste Violations.

          http://tinyurl.com/4s5ue6t

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            I don’t know where you got the 2.2 million figure but the article you provided states that the EPA were actually filing complaints . The EPA was seeking charges for sawdust contamination and has nothing to do with todays furriers. BTW , it seems the industry that you complained as being self regulated is actually regulated by the folks I stated to be regulating the fur industry at animal welfare level as well as at the environmental level. Of the six originally looked at only two who were charged 20 years ago out of 27 fur industry facilities. It should also be noted that the EPA has many more charges laid against water soil & air pollution with regards to all facets of the Petroleum industry from improper oil storage to fertilizer run offs & polymer contaminents as well as problems with pesticide type polutions and that was only in 1991. Reams of other charges are also on the books for all those types of problems right up till today except for the fur industry charge twenty years ago for improper sawdust handling & transportation. .

            Region II Fur Pelt Industry Non-Notifier RCRA
            Enforcement Initiative
            During FY 1991, Region I1 filed
            administrative complaints against six New
            jersey firms engaged in fur processing and
            transportation of the resulting wastes. The firms
            illegally generated, stored, transported and
            disposed of hazardous wastes generated during
            the processing of fur pelts. The industry uses
            sawdust soaked with solvents to clean fur pelts.
            Two fur processors charged, Ella Industries, Inc.
            and Superior Dyed Furs, Inc., ignored all RCRA
            rules and disposed of the solvent-laden waste
            sawdust through transporters which then
            brought the sawdust to horse stables, factories
            and other locations not authorized to accept
            hazardous wastes. The improper handling and
            disposal of the solvent-laden waste sawdust
            could cause environmental contamination and
            human health problems; the solvents used
            include suspected carcinogens. The transporters
            cited are Lignum Chemical Works, Inc., Atlantic
            Sawdust and Paper Shredding, Landew Sawdust,
            Inc., and Ray Reilly Stables, Inc. During FY 1991
            Region I1 inspectors visited 27 fur industry
            facilities.

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          nothing to say about that, huh?

      • Donnie Mac Leod.

        Actually I believe in the natural cycle of life where humans & animals support each other and in sop doing they support plant life. There is no straw man on my behalf as the CE Defauld study made a false claim about textile industry being less of an environmental concern than fur. My pointing out their transgressions against the truth does not equal a straw man. BTW animal waste such as retrieved from mink and cattle makes for wonderful organic farming if you are all that interested in agriculture. Ditto pig & Chicken manure used to refurbish fields & add missing nutrients back into the soil. .

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          Unfortunately for both of us, Donnie, the pre-civilization utopia where “the natural cycle of life where humans & animals support each other and in so doing they support plant life ” is not longer happening. Civilization and it’s industries have disrupted that balance. And the quantity of waste coming from industrial operations like factory farms in the U.S. is more than 130 times greater than that produced by humans. Agricultural runoff is the main reason why 60% of America’s rivers and streams are “impaired”. Even groundwater, which takes thousands of years to restore, is being contaminated.

  • Donnie Mac Leod

    Examples which were left out of the CE Defauld study would be the 45 billion dollar pesticide spray program which keeps plant-based textile industry operational. Those toxins effect the air, water & soils in a manner which is not environmentally sound. The use of Petroleum based polymers which take thousands of years to break down and the smoke stacks that spew the excess of such chemical breakdowns also adds to environmental pollution. However the CE Study left those factors out of the mix. Harvesting such crops also cause major changes in earth’s landscape as heavy machinery runs over & rearranges every bit of flora & fauna in its path, CE Defauld ignored those factors to & it is obviously because Animal Rights supporters sponsored the game plan.

    • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

      Deflecting.
      And this is why organic cotton and other sustainable alternatives are becoming more and more popular. So why not promote these instead of fur which is cruel and also polluting?

      Even still, how does this justify the terrible things that happen to animals and ecosystems because of fur farming? Do you think that everyone should wear fur and cotton will go away? This is a ridiculous and nothing more than a distraction from the facts..

      • Miratrapper1

        They are not all that popular as less than 0.15 % is produced on the world markets in organic fields but even those fields displace other animals or kill them outright in the different processes involved in keeping those fields maintained. Seems you are missing some glaring realities within the agricultural community. I am happy to help you out though.

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          Since 80% of grains and the majority of soybeans are grown to feed livestock instead of people at a losing ratio, maybe you should consider promoting organic vegetarianism if you want to minimize the impact of plant agriculture.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Actually those claims are false but it is common for the Animal Rights folk to misrepresent the truth. Some of the uneatable products are used by animal producers as silage is unusable for human consumption as with soybean leaves & stalks. However the ARA have made up figures that are easily disputed by the modern calculations from UN & World watch.

            http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5539

            People consume a little less than half (48 percent) of the world’s grain directly—as steamed rice, bread, tortillas, or millet cakes, for instance.8 Roughly one third (35 percent) becomes livestock feed.9 And a growing share, 17 percent, is used to make ethanol and other fuels.10

            Joshua, 35% is one long haul away from 80% as you claimed. You really should seek out more reliable sources than you have been using. At the present rate ethanol could overtake the grain market for animals as it pays better.

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            Oh, yes because us “animal rights folk” have so much to gain from exposing this…we’re all just getting rich from being nice to animals. On the other hand we should just believe the industries whose money is at stake. We should listen to them, and you as their agent.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            I am quite aware and can show you where to get organic material instead of pesticides to enhance plant organics.

            http://www.furcommission.com/farming/index.html#Anchor-Fur-23240

            he carcasses are rarely eaten by humans as the scent gland gives the meat a flavor which most people don’t enjoy. But they still have their uses. Some farmers sell them as crab bait, or give them to wildlife preserves, zoos or aquariums. Others will use them to make organic compost. Or they may be rendered down to provide raw materials for a wide range of products, from pet food and organic fertilizers to tires, paint and even cosmetics.

            Last but not least, the nutrient-rich manure from fur farms is in heavy demand as a natural crop fertilizer.

          • Anonymous

            I’d suggest a different fertilizer if it’s “green” you want, since the climate change impact of 1 kg of mink fur is five times higher than that of the highest-scoring textile (wool). This is due both to the feed and to the N2O emissions from the mink manure.

          • Anonymous

            The carcass is frozen and then disposed of and incinerated by destruction companies (NFE).
            http://www.nfe.nl/2009/index.php?page=5

            doesn’t sound like crab bait to me.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Hello reinvent:: I pulled up your link and this is what it says about the carcasses>

            In addition, the lipids of the mink used as raw material for pharmaceuticals and cosmetics. The remaining parts of the animal owner puts the mink down to rendering plants. . Here they are burned along with other dead animals. You do know there is a difference between a freezer and a rendering plant ,do you not?

        • Anonymous

          Actually, Donnie, you have your figures wrong, and you did not provide a source either…

          According to the fourth annual Organic Exchange Farm and Fiber Report 2009, organic cotton production grew an impressive 20 percent over 2007/08 to 175,113 metric tons (802,599 bales) grown on 625,000 acres (253,000 hectares). Organic cotton now represents 0.76 percent of global cotton production.

          http://www.ota.com/organic/mt/organic_cotton.html

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            http://www.ejfoundation.org/page329.html

            Who grows organic cotton?
            Over the last few decades organic cotton production has grown substantially, from just 30 farmers producing 113 tonnes of cotton fibre, to a global total of more than 31,000 tonnes.

            Commercial organic cotton production is now underway in some 22 countries across Africa, Asia, the Mediterranean and the Americas. In sub-Saharan Africa, Uganda, Tanzania and Mali are the main producers, and production in Benin and Senegal is increasing rapidly. Production also recently started in Togo, Zambia, Malawi and Kenya.

            +++While these figures so far only constitute a small fraction (0.15%)++++of world cotton
            production they represent important proof that contemporary cotton production can occur without the use of hazardous pesticides. It also means a more sustainable way of producing cotton for small farmers in the developing world.

            Organic farming can offer a step away from debts and health risks to farming families, as less harmful farming practises are introduced. The prospect of receiving organic premiums, as well as prompt cash payments, is also advantageous.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            As an added side note There is no such thing as “cotton without pesticides.” Organic cotton producers can use pesticides but only “natural” pesticides, not synthetic/man made pesticides. Sometime the natural is more aggressive and worse for the ecosystem than a synthetic product. ”

      • Donnie Mac Leod

        I feel that people should have freedom of choice & that the green label for fur is a more sensible solution within those choices than the CE Defauld report wrongly offered.

        • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

          Freedom to choose. Obviously it’s not what the animal would choose, but we must not include them in that equation or validate their perspectives. They just have brains and nervous systems for fun, right? They just cry-out and struggle to escape because it’s ” dumb instinct”, right?

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            This debate as presented by the study is on Scientific fallacy the CE Defauld people created to support emotionalistic deceits. I knew we would end up here.

          • http://twitter.com/DiscerningBrute Joshua Katcher

            Donnie, a few things have become clear: you are either a farmer/trapper yourself, or you work for the CCF – which means there is no rationalizing with you because there is a financial incentive and an ego at stake – and like anyone who makes money off of causing harm, you will debate any study, you will defend it at any cost no mater what I say. So I must remove myself from this “conversation” if you can call it that.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Actually I grew up as a farmers kid & I have hunted trapped & fished under Biologists Wildlife management rules for all of my life. Those biologists have been quite successful as we now have an abundance of wildlife that will gratify my great-grandchildren long after you and I are long dead. Such is the cycle of life. However I am a retired Telco Implementation co-ordinator by profession who designed telco planning for communities. I no longer trap although I would love to have the time.

          • Donnie Mac Leod

            Joshua . This was never about you from where I stand. It is about the CE study which is so rife with avoided measurements that it couldn’t possibly come to an honest summation. You helped me to point out the misrepresentations which you have learned at the foot of ARA propagandists. You seem like a pretty intelligent person but you have not gotten your facts straight because you didn’t go to the proper sources which show sales & harvests is not 80% to animals because the World Food Organizations show only 38% is for animals. Also with the sales of grains we can find & the sales of pesticides are kept on the commodities markets which show the ARA has been lying in their propaganda. You believed that the fur industry is unregulated because animal rights sites make that claim. Yet I have provided you with proof that they are governed by local bi-laws, State Laws , National Laws & International laws. I feel badly that you feel so intimidated by the facts which should have you re-thinking your understanding of just where you have been mislead by the PETAfiles & H$U$ites. I would gladly hash over how we can use animal waste better because I think we can do a better job although the fur ranchers are much more apt to be ahead of that game in the compost markets because they try hard to reuse & re-cycle. I have a clue for you about the ARA game plan. Wayne Pacelle was interviewed after he received his big job at H$U$. The interviewer asked Wayne why he got the job. His reply was I don’t really know but reflected that he good at thinking stuff up. . That is the basis of the propaganda machine that suckers folks into believing the thought up, rather than the factual Science that points out the fallacies of such a study as the one noted here.

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